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Creating Historical Coaches

Postby guamyankee » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:31 am

Does anybody out there have any experience with this, in regards to how to come up with the numbers for coaches like Don Shula? From what I can tell, some of the historical rosters that have been created have left out the coaches. I just don't know enough about these old coaches to do it accurately. For example, whether Shula prefers the 4-3 or the 3-4 defense...no idea. Any thoughts or ideas on this topic are appreciated. And remember I only use Shula as an example...there are many others that need to be done.
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Re: Creating Historical Coaches

Postby Sidelion » Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:53 am

From 1972 onwards, Don Shula was a stalwart employer of the 3-4. Give me a list, I'll try to answer as many defensive scheme prefs as I can from the top of my head.

As far as offensive tendencies go, I would consider the year of the team. Next, find out what "era" that particular year of team falls under (e.g. - Shula's Colts, the running Dolphins (1970-1982), or the passing Dolphins (1983-1995)). Then, average out all of the offensive plays from a given era to get a rough run-pass ratio.
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Re: Creating Historical Coaches

Postby guamyankee » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:20 am

Sidelion wrote:From 1972 onwards, Don Shula was a stalwart employer of the 3-4. Give me a list, I'll try to answer as many defensive scheme prefs as I can from the top of my head.

As far as offensive tendencies go, I would consider the year of the team. Next, find out what "era" that particular year of team falls under (e.g. - Shula's Colts, the running Dolphins (1970-1982), or the passing Dolphins (1983-1995)). Then, average out all of the offensive plays from a given era to get a rough run-pass ratio.


That is very generous of you, thanks very much for the offer. I think what I'll do is post the 2 coaches who are going to square off for each matchup. I'll also post a checklist of each category that the game rates the coaches in, and we can do our best to fill in the blanks. Anyone who wants to discuss/debate/assist can join in. I'll set up the first 2 coaches very soon, right in this thread. Thanks again!
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Re: Creating Historical Coaches

Postby guamyankee » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:30 am

Coach: Don Shula (1974 Dolphins)

vs. Coach George Allen (1972 Redskins)


Don Shula
Base Defense: 4-3
Motivation:
Work Ethic:
Chemistry:
Knowledge:
Offense:
Defense:
OL:
QB:
RB:
WR:
DL:
LB:
DB:
S:
K:
P:
Offensive Strategy
Pass: 33
Run: 67
*******
Aggressive:
Conservative:
Defensive Strategy
Pass: (Percentages)
Run:
*******
Aggressive:
Conservative:
Running Strategy
RB1: (Percentages)
RB2:


George Allen
Base Defense: 4-3
Motivation:
Work Ethic:
Chemistry:
Knowledge:
Offense:
Defense:
OL:
QB:
RB:
WR:
DL:
LB:
DB:
S:
K:
P:
Offensive Strategy
Pass: 36
Run: 64
*******
Aggressive:
Conservative:
Defensive Strategy
Pass: (Percentages)
Run:
*******
Aggressive:
Conservative:
Running Strategy
RB1: (Percentages)
RB2:
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Re: Creating Historical Coaches

Postby guamyankee » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:07 pm

According to footballreference.com, Shula used the 4-3 in 1974.
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Re: Creating Historical Coaches

Postby guamyankee » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:52 pm

Found this on Gamefaq.com:

D1.Staffing

There are some people who I have spoken to who believe that your coaches don't
matter. Well let me tell you now: IT MATTERS A GREAT DEAL!!! Your coaches
affect just about everything that goes on with how your players play. If you
have coaches who have poor defense and don't have high ratings with certain
positions then not only will your defense play a little poorly(You can't
control everyone on the field)your players won't progress as much in the
off-season. With that said I'll break down the different coaches(Head,
Offensive, Defensive, Special) and what their ratings mean.

Ratings(What they mean)
MOTivation- This stat basically determines how riled up your coach gets your
players. This is useful in pressure situations(especially on defense). Always
try to get a coach with a high stat.

Work ETHic- This determines how hard your players are worked by coach. This is
important for discipline. I've noticed teams that are lead by a coach with
poor ethic commit more penalties(I should note that the difference isn't
astonishing and quite hard to spot)

CHeMistry- This stat(though I really haven't seen a difference for this) is
for how well your coach meshes with the rest if team. As you all know the
more you team plays like a team the better your chances of winning.

KNoWledge- This stat determines preparedness for the game(Once again this one
is a little harder to spot the difference). A coach with low Knowledge won't
hurt you team to much.

OFFense- This is very important(though not so much if you have already your
go to plays nad can gain easy yardage). This helps determine how good your
offense is(Mostly with the AI). Your Offensive coordinator should always have
a high offense as this also determines your offseason progression.

DEFense- This is the most important stat that a coach can have as it
determines(along with the players you have) how good your defense is. A coach
(either Head or Defensive) with a high defense stat can make a defense better
than it actually is. My Head Coach is always defensive minded as is my
Defensive Coordinator since most of the defense is controlled by the AI and
a high defense makes them smarter and raises their awareness in the offseason.

Offensive Line- This determines your effectiveness with your offensive line.
Most of these ratings determine how much the players at that position progress
during the season. This isn't as important because my OL has 5 players with
high ratings(avg 96) and they get better regardless(due to pancaking alot of
people and not giving a lot of sacks.

Quarter Back- This rating determines how much better your QB gets as the
season progresses and at the end of the season. This is important if you have
young QB's because you would want them to develop as fast as possible so they
can win Super Bowl's for you.

Running Back- This rating determines how much better your RB gets as the
season progresses and at the end of the season. Like QB's this rating should
be high if you have a young RB or 1st Round pick who you want to develop in
a Star.

Wide Reciever- This rating determines how much better your WR gets as the
season progresses and at the end of the season. You should get the general
theme of the position ratings by now but this is important if you want to
develop a young WR into a threat then your coach should have a high rating

Defensive Line- This rating determines how much better your DE and Dt's get
as the season progresses and at the end of the season. Since I place more
emphasis on defense than offense these ratings are especially important. The
higher the rating the better they will get in the offseason and the better
they will play also.

Line Backer- This rating determines how much better your LB gets as the
season progresses and at the end of the season. My coaches normally have a
high LB rating because I rely heavily on my LB's(Manny Lawson and Patrick
Willis) to roam the field and get tackles and deflect passes. As such they
need to get smarter(AWR) faster and with a high LB rating they will
grow faster.

Defensive Backs- his rating determines how much better your CB's and Safeties
get as the season progresses and at the end of the season. I can't stress the
importance of having a coach who is good with the secondary. Since they are
almost always controlled by the AI they will need to be smart because if they
aren't your going to get beat deep and give up alot of yards. Make sure that
your HC or DC has a high DB rating so they will progress faster.

Kicker- This rating determines how much better your Kicker gets as the
season progresses and at the end of the season. This is important because
everybody needs a good kicker. The better the coach the better the kicker
gets.

Punter- This rating determines how much better your Punter gets as the
season progresses and at the end of the season. This is important because
everybody needs a good punter to put the ball deep in their own territory when
your O fails.

IMPORTANT!!! I should note that Chemistry and Knowledge are that important in
my experiences. The most important stats are Motivation, Ethic, Offense,
Defense and the position stats. Also my coaches for Head coach and Defensive
coordinator are interchangeable because I love defense coaches.

HEAD COACH

This is leader of your team on the sideline and as such this is the only
coach who dosen't need to have stellar player ratings. He should however have
a high MOT, ETH, CHM, and KNW. These are leader qualities and I feel are the
most important.

Recommended Stats- High Coach stats, High defensive player stats.
Recommended Coaches- NE Coach(Bill Belicheck), Ron Rivera, Mike Nolan

OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR

The counterpart of the Defensive Coordinator, this guy is responsible for
calling your offensive plays and some of your playbook(You Head Coach also
makes these decisions). For me the OC isn't that important because I know how
to run my offense to maximum effectiveness and most of my young players are
already stars so there's no need for them to develop. Still I believe in
spending money if you want to win so I would recommend a coach with a high
Offense stat and good player stats also(high 80's to mid 90's) in addition to
a high motivation stat.

Recommended Stats- High MOT and High offensive player stats.
Recommended Coaches- Tom Moore(Colts offensive mastermind), Mike Martz, Al
Sanders.

DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR

This guy is responsible for your defense. What plays you call your playbook,
how they play, how motivated they are. As such it is extremely important that
you make sure that he has high ratings in Defense and also high player ratings
as this will make your entire defense better than it is.

Recommended Stats- High Defense and Defensive player stats, High ETH.
Recommended Coaches- Monty Kiffin, Joe Johnson, Mike Nolan

SPECIAL TEAMS COORDINATOR

This guy is responsible for the development of your Kikcer and Punter. He also
is responsible for everything related to special teams including kick and punt
returns(though not in this game)

Recommended Stats- Kicker and Punter player ratings
Recommended Coaches- John Marciano, Jay Decamillis, Jeff Harbaugh
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Re: Creating Historical Coaches

Postby Sidelion » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:29 am

Base defense for George Allen would be a complex, adjusting-before-the-snap 4-3 focusing primarily on pressuring the QB - I'd personally use TEN's playbook. Remember: George Allen was the mastermind behind the 1963 Bears' and 1967 Rams' sack machine defenses.

Base defense for Don Shula would be a 4-3 in 1974, upon a little further research. The 3-4 defense with the 1972 Dolphins (using Bob Matheson as the tweener - DE/OLB) was made out of necessity that year. The Arnsparger Fins didn't lay the "true" foundation for the 3-4 until 1976 (when they re-hired Bill Arnsparger and drafted Kim Bokamper) and didn't truly embrace the scheme until the next year, when they got Bob Baumhower and AJ Duhe for the front three in the 1977 draft. Eh... I would say to use a very "basic" 4-3, considering Arnsparger was the Dolphins' defensive coordinator the year before and would be again in 1976.

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Re: Creating Historical Coaches

Postby ehlomint » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:47 am

I would like to have the coach of the 78 Steelers actually look like Chuck Noll. Do we know how to do this yet without TexMod?

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Re: Creating Historical Coaches

Postby guamyankee » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:31 am

Sidelion wrote:Base defense for George Allen would be a complex, adjusting-before-the-snap 4-3 focusing primarily on pressuring the QB - I'd personally use TEN's playbook. Remember: George Allen was the mastermind behind the 1963 Bears' and 1967 Rams' sack machine defenses.

Base defense for Don Shula would be a 4-3 in 1974, upon a little further research. The 3-4 defense with the 1972 Dolphins (using Bob Matheson as the tweener - DE/OLB) was made out of necessity that year. The Arnsparger Fins didn't lay the "true" foundation for the 3-4 until 1976 (when they re-hired Bill Arnsparger and drafted Kim Bokamper) and didn't truly embrace the scheme until the next year, when they got Bob Baumhower and AJ Duhe for the front three in the 1977 draft. Eh... I would say to use a very "basic" 4-3, considering Arnsparger was the Dolphins' defensive coordinator the year before and would be again in 1976.

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So for Allen, go with a 4-3, aggressive defense using the Titans defensive playbook.

For Shula, use the 4-3 defense, but more conservative.
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Re: Creating Historical Coaches

Postby kirk1827 » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:10 pm

Hey guys.

I've been trying to make some Legendary Coaches for my custom roster. And found this thread. Instead of making a new one, I'm trying to get this one going.

Anyways, here's what i have and hopefully someone can give me some more info or ratings.

PS: Some ratings are more GENARIC because I have no idea what they would be.

Thanks again for great site too.

COACHES:

Vince Lombardi
Spoiler:
Base Offense: ???
Base Defense: ???
Motivation: 99
Work Ethic: 96
Chemistry: 96
Knowledge: 96
Offense: 95
Defense: 85
OL: 80
QB: 80
RB: 80
WR: 80
DL: 80
LB: 80
DB: 80
S: 80
K: 50
P: 50

Offensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 60
Conservative: 40

Defensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 60
Conservative: 40

Running Strategy
RB1: 90
RB2: 10


Paul Brown
Spoiler:
Base Offense: ???
Base Defense: ???
Motivation: 90
Work Ethic: 99
Chemistry: 90
Knowledge: 99
Offense: 90
Defense: 80
OL: 80
QB: 80
RB: 80
WR: 80
DL: 80
LB: 80
DB: 80
S: 80
K: 50
P: 50

Offensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Defensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Running Strategy
RB1: 90
RB2: 10


Chuck Noll
Spoiler:
Base Offense: ???
Base Defense: 4-3 (Steel Curtain Defense)
Motivation: 80
Work Ethic: 80
Chemistry: 80
Knowledge: 94
Offense: 80
Defense: 96
OL: 86
QB: 86
RB: 90
WR: 86
DL: 99
LB: 96
DB: 90
S: 90
K: 50
P: 50

Offensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Defensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Running Strategy
RB1: 90
RB2: 10


Don Shula
Spoiler:
Base Offense: Pass Balanced
Base Defense: 3-4
Motivation: 90
Work Ethic: 90
Chemistry: 90
Knowledge: 96
Offense: 80
Defense: 96
OL: 80
QB: 92
RB: 80
WR: 80
DL: 80
LB: 80
DB: 96
S: 80
K: 50
P: 50

Offensive Strategy
Pass: 60
Run: 40
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Defensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Running Strategy
RB1: 90
RB2: 10


George Halas
Spoiler:
Base Offense: T-Formation ???
Base Defense: ???
Motivation: 80
Work Ethic: 80
Chemistry: 80
Knowledge: 80
Offense: 80
Defense: 96
OL: 80
QB: 80
RB: 96
WR: 90
DL: 90
LB: 96
DB: 80
S: 80
K: 50
P: 50

Offensive Strategy
Pass: 40
Run: 60
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Defensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Running Strategy
RB1: 90
RB2: 10


Tom Landry
Spoiler:
Base Offense: ???
Base Defense: 4-3
Motivation: 80
Work Ethic: 80
Chemistry: 80
Knowledge: 94
Offense: 80
Defense: 80
OL: 80
QB: 80
RB: 80
WR: 80
DL: 80
LB: 80
DB: 98
S: 80
K: 50
P: 50

Offensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Defensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Running Strategy
RB1: 90
RB2: 10


Joe Gibbs
Spoiler:
Base Offense: Air Coryell (???)
Base Defense: 4-3
Motivation: 90
Work Ethic: 90
Chemistry: 90
Knowledge: 98
Offense: 90
Defense: 90
OL: 96
QB: 98
RB: 90
WR: 90
DL: 90
LB: 94
DB: 90
S: 80
K: 50
P: 50

Offensive Strategy
Pass: 55
Run: 45
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Defensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Running Strategy
RB1: 60
RB2: 40


Bill Parcells
Spoiler:
Base Offense: Erhardt-Perkins (Patriots?) or Pass Balanced
Base Defense: 3-4 or 4-3
Motivation: 96
Work Ethic: 80
Chemistry: 80
Knowledge: 80
Offense: 80
Defense: 90
OL: 80
QB: 80
RB: 80
WR: 80
DL: 80
LB: 98
DB: 80
S: 80
K: 50
P: 50

Offensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Defensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Running Strategy
RB1: 90
RB2: 10


Bill Walsh
Spoiler:
Base Offense: West Coast
Base Defense: 3-4
Motivation: 80
Work Ethic: 80
Chemistry: 80
Knowledge: 96
Offense: 96
Defense: 86
OL: 80
QB: 96
RB: 90
WR: 96
DL: 80
LB: 80
DB: 94
S: 94
K: 50
P: 50

Offensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Defensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Running Strategy
RB1: 90
RB2: 10


Bud Grant
Spoiler:
Base Offense: ???
Base Defense: ???
Motivation: 80
Work Ethic: 80
Chemistry: 80
Knowledge: 94
Offense: 80
Defense: 80
OL: 80
QB: 80
RB: 80
WR: 90
DL: 90
LB: 80
DB: 80
S: 80
K: 50
P: 50

Offensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Defensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Running Strategy
RB1: 90
RB2: 10


John Madden
Spoiler:
Base Offense: ???
Base Defense: ???
Motivation: 98
Work Ethic: 99
Chemistry: 98
Knowledge: 98
Offense: 60
Defense: 98
OL: 88
QB: 80
RB: 80
WR: 80
DL: 82
LB: 96
DB: 80
S: 80
K: 80
P: 80

Offensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 60
Conservative: 40

Defensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 60
Conservative: 40

Running Strategy
RB1: 90
RB2: 10


Jimmy Johnson
Spoiler:
Base Offense: Run Balanced
Base Defense: 4-3
Motivation: 94
Work Ethic: 94
Chemistry: 94
Knowledge: 94
Offense: 80
Defense: 90
OL: 96
QB: 92
RB: 94
WR: 92
DL: 94
LB: 92
DB: 92
S: 98
K: 50
P: 50

Offensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Defensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Running Strategy
RB1: 90
RB2: 10


Mike Holmgren
Spoiler:
Base Offense: West Coast
Base Defense: 3-4 or 4-3
Motivation: 80
Work Ethic: 80
Chemistry: 80
Knowledge: 80
Offense: 90
Defense: 80
OL: 80
QB: 98
RB: 80
WR: 92
DL: 80
LB: 96
DB: 80
S: 80
K: 50
P: 50

Offensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Defensive Strategy
Pass: 50
Run: 50
Aggressive: 50
Conservative: 50

Running Strategy
RB1: 90
RB2: 10
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